Question on reactions

[SavijMuhdrox]

Been reading thru the book for a bit now, and i finally have a question.

So I am on page OM50, and they are discussing Cyclops' attack on a Sentinel.

The rules state that if the Sentinel's reaction effect die is larger then Cyke's effect die, he would have to step the effect back (IF he hit).

Now since, in the example, the Sentinel's reaction dice BEAT Cyke's action dice; the Watcher could spend a D6 from the Doom Pool to create an effect die.

Now my question is when the Sentinel creates an effect die in this scenario (assuming he uses the D6 from the Doom Pool, and chooses a D6 from his dice roll), does Cyke's original effect die (D10) come into play?

So the Sentinel would create an effect with a D6, which would then step back to a D4 due to Cyke's D10... OR is the D6 unchangeable?

Hope the question is clear. Enjoying the read and look forward to more datafiles.

[EldritchFire]

OM50: "If the reaction effect die is larger". So the action effect die has no bearing on changing the reaction effect die.

-EF

[konate]

But, isn't the reaction effect die stepped down by 1 anyway because it is a reaction?

[SavijMuhdrox]

My question is based on when the Watcher spends a die from the Doom Pool and turns his Reaction die into an Effect die.

So, if the Watcher had spent the doom die and turned his D6 reaction effect die into D6 stress for Cyclops, could Cyke's player argue that since his original effect was D10, then the Sentinel's reaction-effect-turned-stress should be stepped down to a D4?

[pksullivan]

But, isn't the reaction effect die stepped down by 1 anyway because it is a reaction?

Nope. OM50 has rules on resolving action.

Basically, the aggressor builds an action pool, rolls it, comes up with a total and an effect die. At this point the aggressor stops spending PP or otherwise making any changes to his roll. The result is static.

The defender now builds and rolls his reaction pool. He gets some interesting tactical choices here. He can spend PP to add dice to his roll, keep dice for his total, etc. Keep in mind that the total from the action pool is fixed; he knows exactly how much he needs to beat it. If he sees he cannot win and has a big die in his pool, he may be able to blunt the attack some (if the reaction pool's effect die is larger than the action pool's effect die, step back the action pool's effect die by 1 step).

I really wish I had noticed that rule before I ran Breakout for my group. The fight with Nefaria would have gone much differently.

[EldritchFire]

My question is based on when the Watcher spends a die from the Doom Pool and turns his Reaction die into an Effect die.

So, if the Watcher had spent the doom die and turned his D6 reaction effect die into D6 stress for Cyclops, could Cyke's player argue that since his original effect was D10, then the Sentinel's reaction-effect-turned-stress should be stepped down to a D4?

Nope, you're reading too much into things. Wait, that came out stronger than I wanted...let me give a caveat of "This is how I read it, YMMV, YTYR, etc"

The book says if the reaction die is larger, step the action die down by one. This has no bearing whatsoever on the question at hand. The reaction die is being used to create an effect/asset/stress/etc, so the size of the action die isn't even part of the equation.

I think it's balanced out by the fact that actions are "free" and reactions-turned-effect cost a PP.

-EF

[Supplanter]

The book says if the reaction die is larger, step the action die down by one. This has no bearing whatsoever on the question at hand. The reaction die is being used to create an effect/asset/stress/etc, so the size of the action die isn't even part of the equation.

I think it's balanced out by the fact that actions are "free" and reactions-turned-effect cost a PP.

Interesting. We've been playing it the other way. This is one I'd like to get an official ruling on, maybe when Cam gets back from Pax East.


Jim

[EldritchFire]

The book says if the reaction die is larger, step the action die down by one. This has no bearing whatsoever on the question at hand. The reaction die is being used to create an effect/asset/stress/etc, so the size of the action die isn't even part of the equation.

I think it's balanced out by the fact that actions are "free" and reactions-turned-effect cost a PP.

Interesting. We've been playing it the other way. This is one I'd like to get an official ruling on, maybe when Cam gets back from Pax East.


Jim

You're table, your rules! If it's working for you, cool! One of the best things about Marvel is that it's really customizable! If it works for you, go with it!

-EF

[konate]

We've been stepping it down, as well. "Our house, our rules" was justified for us, in that an attacker who gets counter attacked by a defender wasnt using any defensive dice in his pool (durability, etc), which should be somehow incorporated. So, we just accepted that fact, but extended the "step down" rules so that counter-attacking wasn't more anticipated than a character's own turn.

[Grimmshade]

We've been stepping it down, as well. "Our house, our rules" was justified for us, in that an attacker who gets counter attacked by a defender wasnt using any defensive dice in his pool (durability, etc), which should be somehow incorporated. So, we just accepted that fact, but extended the "step down" rules so that counter-attacking wasn't more anticipated than a character's own turn.

I also step down the Reaction die if its used for Effect. It makes sense to us, as it represents defending yourself a bit.