NAMOR

[spare]

This looks cool, spare!

Any reason you chose to keep the WINGED FEET out of the SUB MARINER set?

Also, whilst reading your write-up it occured to me that I have not seen one attempt at a Hulk write-up (not directed at you specifically, just in general).

Hhhmmmm..... curious.

Because, from my understanding of the character, the Winged Feet occured from the half of Namor that is a mutant and not the half that is Atlantian.

He's all mutant, I suppose, unless you mean one of his parents was a mutant. And it's a pretty strange mutation, considering it seems to occur whenever an Atlantean and a regular person from the surface have kids (e.g., Namora).

Also, when has Namor been at Enhanced Strength rather than at least Superhuman? From his very first appearance, he's been able to do things like wreck elevated trains, throw cars around, etc. Enhanced seems more like what you'd give a run of the mill Atlantean soldier.

Unless Marvel has once again changed continuity (I wouldn't totally put it past them) it is my understanding that Namor, while having associated with the X-Men lately, is the product of an Atlantian and a human. That being stated, I'm pretty sure that Atlantians in the Marvel universe are indeed their own race and NOT mutants. So, the general understanding is that the mutant gene would come from the human parent in addition to the racial traits he received from the Atlantian parent.

[Talison]

In the last 5 years or so they have been calling Namor the first mutant (even though there's so many problems with that).

[MidnightBlue]

Perhaps the "mutation" is the fact that a human and an atlantean were able to breed at all?

[vitruvian]

Unless Marvel has once again changed continuity (I wouldn't totally put it past them) it is my understanding that Namor, while having associated with the X-Men lately, is the product of an Atlantian and a human. That being stated, I'm pretty sure that Atlantians in the Marvel universe are indeed their own race and NOT mutants. So, the general understanding is that the mutant gene would come from the human parent in addition to the racial traits he received from the Atlantian parent.

Right, which would make him half Atlantean and half human and ALL mutant (as in somebody with an X-gene). He can't logically be half mutant unless one parent was a mutant.

[Supplanter]

I did some tweep-guided "research" on this very topic earlier in the week. Apparently, way back in 1964 comics, Magneto and Professor X speculated that Namor might be a mutant. That angle got dropped by writers through the 70s (when I started reading comics) - writers always referred to him as a "hybrid." Then along about the early 1990s, Marvel started referring to him as a mutant again - presumably in hopes of boosting his sales. In their favor, hey - winged feet! Not standard-issue human or mutant biology. Cutting against this: Namorita makes winged feet look like part of the base package on human/Atlantean offspring.

According to wikipedia, there's been in-fiction confirmation sometime recently that the Submariner carries the X-gene. So hey.


Jim

[MidnightBlue]

If I'm not mistaken, didn't they say that Namorita is now a clone of Namor?

Retconning makes my head hurt...

[Cam]

Namorita is a clone of Namora, Namor's cousin. And Namora's now back in action!

They're all mutants because the winged ankles is not something either of their parents have, which fits the technical definition in the MU of being a mutant. Plus, everyone says they're mutants now, so there's that.

Cheers,
Cam

[vitruvian]

Namorita is a clone of Namora, Namor's cousin. And Namora's now back in action!

They're all mutants because the winged ankles is not something either of their parents have, which fits the technical definition in the MU of being a mutant. Plus, everyone says they're mutants now, so there's that.

Cheers,
Cam

That's not the definition of being a mutant in the MU (as opposed to real life), though, because if it were, Polaris wouldn't be one - her powers are the same as her dad's. It's the presence or absence of the X-gene and accompanying powers, evidently.

[Cam]

It was the definition for quite a while, including in the earlier Official Handbooks, but now they've established sufficient examples of mutants with the same powers as their parents that they're going with the X-Gene qualifier. This lets them retroactively fit anyone to be a mutant, including those who never were before (like Toro). But the ankle-wing thing was definitely their explanation during John Byrne's run on Namor in the Nineties.

Cheers,
Cam